Is that good for the music, if it keeps you hungry? Even 15 years ago, my accountant was saying: “You will never be poor, don’t worry.” But I do worry. I have this picture of myself in some little old people’s home with a bunch of other old geezers, and a flannel robe with holes in it, waiting for somebody. Iggy What I think about is feeling I’m going to blow it. It’s having to parcel out enough money until I’m 90, but on the other hand… I can’t think about it! I took the negative and thought: “I know this is going to be a bitchin’ line in a song.” I was thinking: “What is the pill that’s hard to swallow?” It’s knowing that you’re going to die. Iggy Well, someone used the phrase “Hard pill to swallow” to insult me earlier that year. How did those discussions evolve into songs like American Valhalla? That’s something I really learned on this session: “Oh you like that? Let’s take it and start using it, then.” With the nonchalance that you do it. Josh I love that we have these quick little chats and they go into the songs. Josh I know the importance of it out in the desert. Iggy I’m not sure what the current valuation of honour is, in present times. Being able to keep it there, even at arm’s length… I think you live better because of that awareness. To live while knowing it’s close, and you can be young or old, it doesn’t matter. Stay focused on buying something! Or something to that effect. Josh That notion of talismans, to have a touchstone of your own mortality… so much of today’s world is about not focusing on what’s beyond. Iggy Music can be a reminder that you’re close. With Bowie’s death and the Paris terror attacks, did you feel it was time to write about your own mortality? Is there a sense that you have to rock now because life’s short? I wrote about wondering what’s going to happen to my favourite chair when I’m gone. In this one particular dwelling I had 34. Iggy I was pretty much homeless a lot of my life. I also sent him an interview I did with an eminent critic here in New York about his concerns about my career. I sent him three essays I’d written on my sex life about specific people. I sent him a dossier on me by FedEx: written form, no email. I wanted to find the best and he’s the best. I’d been skirting around it: doing an album in French, or a soundtrack, or a reunion band album. Iggy I was looking to make high-quality, non-band solo work, where you really put both feet into it. Iggy, what made you contact Josh to make Post Pop Depression? I was getting a lifetime achievement award. Iggy We met at the Kerrang! awards in 1912, or whenever it was.

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